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Peter Ward
2,081 posts
93 months
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egoboss said: thatcher made that ominous prophecy "there is no such thing as society" - lo and behold, st tony bliar has made it a reality. |
Not having a dig at you, but I do so hate people who misquote what Margaret Thatcher said all those years ago. Her words have been twisted by her enemies to mean the complete opposite of what she actually said. What she actually said, in context, was: Margaret Thatcher said: I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation. Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 3 1987 |
That's somewhat different, isn't it?
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JagLover
16,304 posts
72 months
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Yes indeed It always pi$$es me off when people misquote that. She recognised the problem of the entitlement society-but unfortuanatly did very little about it-Mind you she did have her hands full trying to resuscitate the British economy.
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towman
14,938 posts
76 months
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You lot are so quick to condemn when you don`t know the full story. This is possible..........Man has no money/credit cards/means of payment with him. Man gets ultra urgent call to be somewhere further than he has fuel for. Man panics. Man puts petrol in car and legs it. Man so terrified tht he loses concentration,crashes and dies. Are we saying that no-one on here has ever taking something to which they are not entitled?
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JagLover
16,304 posts
72 months
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towman said:You lot are so quick to condemn when you don`t know the full story. This is possible..........Man has no money/credit cards/means of payment with him. Man gets ultra urgent call to be somewhere further than he has fuel for. Man panics. Man puts petrol in car and legs it. Man so terrified tht he loses concentration,crashes and dies. Are we saying that no-one on here has ever taking something to which they are not entitled? |
 He was Chav scum and you know it.
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slightlymiffed
53 posts
75 months
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Saw one recently where a woman had legged it from petrol station not paying, taking out a biker who just happened to be passing by at the time... Bike a total right off, rider seriously injured - all for 6.10 of petrol! (And as far as I know, she has never been caught). Scum isn't really the word for it...
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WildCat
8,369 posts
80 months
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towman said:You lot are so quick to condemn when you don`t know the full story. This is possible..........Man has no money/credit cards/means of payment with him. Man gets ultra urgent call to be somewhere further than he has fuel for. Man panics. Man puts petrol in car and legs it. Man so terrified tht he loses concentration,crashes and dies. Are we saying that no-one on here has ever taking something to which they are not entitled? |
Ist being too kind Liebchen! What has got inot you? I have never pinched anything - und if I feed car mit petrol - make sure I have my money on my person. In fact - I make sure I have enough to pay for fuel at all times in case of emergency. Ist not an excuse.... As for his demise whilst on run for heinous crime...I do feel sorry for his parents who will know how he lost his life - they will be sad at loss und angry mit son und angry mit selves - probably. The only consolation ist that he did not cause another's death.
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towman
14,938 posts
76 months
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WildCat said: What has got inot you? |
I hate the "deserved what they got" posts on here when someone not in our social spectrum dies. No-one deserves to die.
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egoboss
838 posts
67 months
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JagLover said:Yes indeed It always pi$$es me off when people misquote that. She recognised the problem of the entitlement society-but unfortuanatly did very little about it-Mind you she did have her hands full trying to resuscitate the British economy. |
come on guys, life's too short for such pedantic analysis - the context is important yes and i am very aware of the full context of the quote; it and many other quotes reside in several of the many books on my bookshelves. i was simply using it to emphasise a point; namely, st tony bliar has created a far more shallow vision of society than she could ever have. his politically correct social engineering incompetence has created this mess that examples like this reflect - now indeed we have "no society" - hence using her quote, paraphrased or not. "rejoice, rejoice" - uh oh, i'll get a bollocking for taking that one out of context now.
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egoboss
838 posts
67 months
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towman said:
WildCat said: What has got inot you? |
I hate the "deserved what they got" posts on here when someone not in our social spectrum dies. No-one deserves to die. |
i don't give a damn what social spectrum they come from - plenty of "nice" people are scumbags capable of appalling acts. this isn't a class issue, it's an issue of morals and standards, respect for others. no one deserves to die? erm, a child molester? a rapist? a murderer? someone who killed a member of your family? grief, i'd better not even open a debate on that stance! i respect your liberal optimistic stance but .....
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mk6fiesta
4,064 posts
70 months
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MR2Mike said: M6Fiesta: You mentioned that you encountered non-payers whilst working at a petrol station. Out of interest how frequently did it happen? |
I was quite careful with who I "allowed" onto the pumps, I became a pretty good judge of character by the time I finished working there. I think in the 9 months I worked, I had about 5 drive-offs. 4 times out of the 5 I covered the money I lost out of my own wallet as it was too much hassle to report it to the Police/Boss as well as filling out 10 forms and saving CCTV tapes and I was also thoroughly pished with myself for letting it happen. The only one I actually reported was 60+ theft in what turned out to be a nicked works van. So in the 9 months I worked for them I lost 60, other members of staff would lose that every week! The amount of tossers that would come and try it on absolutely amazed me, I ended up writing a simple Excel database of all the dodgy reg no's for my College IT project. It sounds daft, but some of the things you see on a garage forecourt in the wee small hours of the morning will amaze you 
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Vesuvius996
25,249 posts
108 months
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Towman, come off it. I could get you a job as a defence barrister coming out with that load of liberal excuses. If I get to the petrol station, fill up and get to the till and realise I forgot my wallet, I leave my name and address, show my ID and I'll be back to pay, by return. The petrol stations have a preprinted form for this to be signed by the mananger and the person who has forgotten their cash after they shown ID. This guy filled up and legged it..... Excuses, excuses, excuses. He was a thief. You live the sword, you die by the sword. Bad luck. Thief = scum. Just pleased he didn't manage to kill my girlfriend or some PHer's kids when he stacked his own car. >> Edited by Vesuvius996 on Friday 25th February 19:24
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Bikerider
13 posts
74 months
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mk6fiesta said: [quote=MR2Mike] It sounds daft, but some of the things you see on a garage forecourt in the wee small hours of the morning will amaze you |
I know this is a serious issue, and I respect that, but dare I try to lighten things by saying ...........please tell, please tell! 
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Streetcop
5,907 posts
75 months
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The majority of people live their lives, without stealing from others. If you decide to steal/rob/burgle/assault etc and it goes horribly wrong... C'est la vie.... Let God judge him now... 
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mk6fiesta
4,064 posts
70 months
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ok I have racked my brain for a few of the best Numpty women who wasnt very good at maneuvering her car, ends up parked next to pump with steering on full-lock. Fills up and pays as normal, goes back out to car and pulls away forgetting which direction wheels are pointing - Destroying front end of car on wall I used to park my car across the pumps that werent covered by the CCTV cameras on a night shift to give scum a harder time when nicking petrol - driver comes in, stops behind my car and sits there for 10-15mins (no exagerration) before coming and knocking on the kiosk window and asking whose car it was and when they would be coming back to the car. I told him it was mine and id be moving it at 7am - this brought on immediate hissy fit which I manged to diffuse (read escalate) by blowing kisses at him through the window One of my colleuges was slightly mentally "unsound", he was a dead nice guy aslong as you didnt get on the wrong side of him. Local pikey theiving scum made the mistake of nicking 20 worth of petrol - so he runs out of back door to cut them off with large metal pole he had under the counter???!!!! and javelins it through the windscreen - all caught on CCTV - Pikeys didnt stop and drove off down the road with 3ft worth of metal coming out the screen. Various people smoking whilst filling up and then getting the hump when you wont turn the pump on! Drivers who are so pissed that they cant stand up when they get out of the car. Little scrotes totally recking the forecourt, they cant have been more than 10 years old and they managed to trash the place in 10mins flat - being told to f'ing shut up or ill do your car over by an 8 year old is strangely funny - but then also quite scary when you realise they got a brick in their hand and they aint joking! Then there were the slightly more disturbing scenes; Smack-head mother of 3 who collapses at the wheel of the car - freezing cold night with a 5 year old, a toddler and a very young baby on the back seat all screaming and freezing cold. Being held up at knife point wasnt much fun either - especially when it took the BiB 20mins to respond to the silent alarm FunFunFun 
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Big_M
5,602 posts
100 months
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My Sister and Brother in Law got woken up by the police knocking on their front door. They wanted to know where they had left their car. My BIL said "There" pointing to a now empty space. It had been nicked. Thing is, it had been found, about 10 miles away, with no petrol. The thief had then nicked another one which he had then rolled and had broken his back. Shame! My BIL was a Baptist Minister at the time. His car was retrieved all ok, other than no petrol. Guess that is what happens when you steal a car belonging to a man of the cloth.
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chris1roll
920 posts
81 months
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I work over in the petrol station sometimes, I would say we get a drive out every other day. Pehaps we are seen as an easier target.... Forecourt has 8 pumps, four furthest are covered by CCTV, but thta doesn't stop them. We do try to "vet" candidates, but when you have up to 8 cars filled up with people waiting to pay, getting hessy about having to wait for ooh all of 2minutes, compounded by the people who haven't bought any petrol and appear to be getting their weekly shop which involves us having to lift every item over the counter to scan it, and a queue of cars extending down the road, you don't really have chance. Oh and if the pump doesn't come on the second the nozzle is in the neck, they'll complain about that too. anyway, I digress. Last one I was present for, looked up to see a red nova with no front bumper and therefore no numberplate, with the door open, turned to colleague and said "watch that red one" and as i said it the door closed and off it shot. turned out as i was speaking the scrote had crawled round his car and got back in it. He'd gone for a nice round 20 though! Last month had a taxi driver drop a bag of pot out of his car, caught him on CCTV looking for it but not finding it under the car.
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MR2Mike
4,105 posts
92 months
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mk6fiesta said: One of my colleuges was slightly mentally "unsound", he was a dead nice guy aslong as you didnt get on the wrong side of him. Local pikey theiving scum made the mistake of nicking 20 worth of petrol - so he runs out of back door to cut them off with large metal pole he had under the counter???!!!! and javelins it through the windscreen - all caught on CCTV - Pikeys didnt stop and drove off down the road with 3ft worth of metal coming out the screen.  |
Sounds like a top bloke Seriously, I've always though night shift in petrol stations must be one of the worse jobs in terms of risk to person vs pay.
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mk6fiesta
4,064 posts
70 months
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MR2Mike said: Seriously, I've always though night shift in petrol stations must be one of the worse jobs in terms of risk to person vs pay. |
I guess it can be dangerous if you dont have your head screwed on. I was held up only the once - which I consider pretty good going. I was pretty nervous about the fact that I had 1k worth of laptop sitting under the counter which I didnt want them to find - so I pretty much let them get on with it! Had less determined crooks try and break in on an almost weekly basis. 3inches worth of safety glass saw to that I found that working the nightshift negated me of having to offer any kind of customer relations to punters who didnt deserve it. People who I took a dislike to would often be exposed to my arse through the front door - which would invariably send them into a blinding rage - oh happy days It suited me well - I did all of my college work, got free food and read any magazine I wanted for free On a Sunday night I could sit for 3 or 4 hrs without a customer. On another note, the amount of training I received when working there was terrible - ie. NONE! Ridiculous really when you consider I was working for the biggest Forecourt operator in the UK. I took it upon myself to learn what to do in an emergency as I thought it wouldnt be a good to find myself in a burning petrol station and not know how to turn the pumps off! *edited to remove excess of smiley faces* >> Edited by mk6fiesta on Friday 25th February 21:25 >> Edited by mk6fiesta on Friday 25th February 21:39
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Bikerider
13 posts
74 months
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Thanks MK6. Tough start for a student but it sounds as though you learned a lot about people. Now I'd better let targarama have his thread back! 
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Beaconbouy
321 posts
69 months
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I hope your co-workers don't read this you bunch of death wishing murderers.
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